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ABC News: Seduce Inside the Nxivm Cult

2020-10-28 Source:美国广播公司新闻



We're going to continue now with that ABC news exclusive, with a former member of the alleged sex cult Nxivm

我们现在继续ABC独家新闻的报道:性邪教Nxivm组织中一名前成员的控诉

 

India Oxenburg, speaking out for the first time, saying she was brainwashed, and branded with the initials of the group's founder

尹迪亚•奥克森伯格首次开口, 称她被邪教洗脑, 身上还被烙上了邪教组织创始人姓名首字母的印记

 

and how her mother, Dynasty star Catherine Oxenberg, helps rescue her

以及她的母亲,《豪门恩怨》剧中明星凯瑟琳·奥克森伯格,如何帮助解救了她

 

They both sat down with Amy

她们都和艾米坐在一起

 

Good morning, Amy

早上好,艾米 

 

Hey, Robin, good morning to you

你好,罗宾,早上好 

 

Nxivm was initially billed as a self-help group

Nxivm组织最初被称为自助团体

 

massively popular with sixteen thousand members

深受一万六千名会员的欢迎 

 

promising people the tools for personal success and empowerment

它承诺向人们提供个人成功和能力提升的帮助

 

attracting Hollywood stars and millionaires

吸引了很多好莱坞明星和百万富翁

 

but everything came crashing down after allegations of a secret sex cult surfaced

但是,在秘密性邪教指控浮出水面后,这一切都崩溃了 

 

landing its leader and several high-ranking members behind bars

指控导致该组织头目和几名高管被关进监狱 

 

Actress Catherine Oxenberg fought for years,to free her daughter India from this group

女演员凯瑟琳·奥克森伯格奋斗了多年,才把她的女儿尹迪亚从这个团伙中解救出来

 

and this morning India is finally breaking her silence

今天早上,尹迪亚终于打破了沉默 

 

This morning India Oxenburg, daughter of TV star and real life Royalty Catherine Oxenberg is breaking her silence

今天早上,电视明星和现实生活中皇室成员凯瑟琳•奥克森伯格的女儿,尹迪亚•奥克森伯格打破了她的沉默 

 

speaking out for the first time since breaking free from the so-called cult Nxivm

从所谓的邪教Nxivm组织中挣脱出来后,第一次公开发表言论

 

What I thought I was learning was self-help and personal growth

我以为我学到的是自立和个人成长 

 

What I was learning was the opposite

但我所学的恰恰相反 

 

It was inhumane

那是没有人性的

 

I'm an interesting person

我是个有趣的人 

 

I'm a controversial person

我是个有争议的人 

 

but most importantly I'm an unconventional person

但最重要的是,我是一个非传统的人

 

India joined what she thought was the self-help group run by Keith Raniere

尹迪亚加入了她认为是由基斯•拉尼尔经营的自助团体

 

a self-proclaimed guru who bragged about what he describes as his superior intellect

拉尼尔自封大师,吹嘘自己拥有超凡的才智

 

When she was just 19 years old and looking for purpose

当她只有19岁并正在寻找生活目标的时候

 

her mother Catherine who starred in the hit show Dynasty

她母亲凯瑟琳曾主演过热播剧《豪门恩怨》 

 

My name is Amanda

我叫阿曼达

 

actually took India to her first meeting

实际上是她带尹迪亚第一次参加了邪教聚会 

 

You and your mom went into Nxivm together initially

你和你妈妈最初是一起走进Nxivm组织的

 

but then you say almost immediately, they were trying to break that connection

但你马上就说,他们试图让你们母女断绝关系 

 

yeah

是的 

 

yeah and that was all strategic and we were unaware of

是的,这都是邪教策略,我们没意识到 

 

why they were doing that at the time

他们当时为什么这么做 

 

but it's actually something that I learned later on called parental alienation

但事实上我后来认识到了,这叫做疏离父母策略

 

India spent nearly seven years in the organization

尹迪亚在该组织度过了将近7年

 

paying them nearly 100 thousand dollars

付给他们将近10万美元

 

she says she was slowly being brainwashed

她说她当时正在慢慢地被洗脑 

 

but couldn't see it while it was happening

但在发生的时候却不知不觉 

 

that's years of grooming

那是多年的潜移默化 

 

and when you're unaware, it's so easy to be led astray

当你意识不到的时候,就很容易被误导 

 

especially by people who are masters at manipulation

尤其被那些善于操纵的大师所误导 

 

and these people were that, especially Keith Raniere, he's a master at manipulation

而这些人就是,尤其是基斯•拉尼尔,他就是个操纵大师 

 

If there's one thing he's intelligent at, it's that, and he's a predator

如果说他有一个方面很擅长,那就是操纵,他是个“掠夺者” 

 

Prosecutors say Raniere was a con man

检察官们说拉尼尔是个骗子 

 

and a predator who took advantage of women

而且是一个利用女人的“掠夺者” 

 

they say Raniere who called himself Vanguard

他们说拉尼尔自称“先锋” 

 

created a secret sorority inside the group

在该组织内部建立了一个秘密的女生联谊会 

 

where women were made to be his sex slaves

在那里,把女人变成他的性奴隶 

 

and blackmailed with what they called collateral, like family secrets and nude photos

用他们称作“抵押物”的东西进行勒索,比如家庭秘密和裸照 

 

I can explain later

我稍后再解释 

 

I did what I had to do

我做了我该做的事情 

 

India says Smallville actress Allison Mack introduced her to the society under the guise of female empowerment

尹迪亚说,《超人前传》女演员爱莉森•麦克以女性能力提升为幌子,把她介绍给了这个组织 

 

So one would say authenticity is being as you are

所以有人会说,真实性就是你的本来面目 

 

and expressing as you are

表现出你的本来面目 

 

I don't know why that makes me want to cry

我不知道为什么那让我想哭 

 

it's beautiful

这很漂亮 

 

it was a trap

这是个陷阱 

 

and it was a ploy for Keith to enslave women for his own sexual desires

这是基斯为了自己的性欲而奴役女人的一个计谋 

 

When did your relationship with Keith become sexual

你和基斯的关系是什么时候变成性关系的 

 

the relationship took a different turn and became sexual

这种关系发生了异常,变成了性关系 

 

When I was commanded to do a seduction assignment

是当我被命令去完成一项诱惑任务的时候 

 

that was the beginning of continual sexual abuse

那是遭受持续性虐待的开始 

 

and I didn't see it as that at the time

我当时并没有这么认为 

 

Now that you can look back on it

现在你可以回头看看 

 

How would you describe that sexual relationship

你是如何描述这种性关系的 

 

I would describe that sexual relationship as rape

我会把这种性关系描述为强奸 

 

I had given collateral which automatically removes my choice

我给了他们抵押物,这相当于自动取消了选择权

 

So I did not have the option to say no

所以我没有说不的选项 

 

saying no meant hurting my family or hurting my friends

说不就意味着伤害我的家人或朋友 

 

and I wasn't going to do that

我不想那样做 

 

in the New Stars documentary seduced inside the Nxivm cult

在新星纪录片《Nxivm邪教的诱惑》中

 

India returns to the house, where she says, she and others were held down and branded with Raniere 's initials

尹迪亚回到这所房子前,她说,这就是她和其他人被扣押,并用拉尼尔名字首字母在身上打上烙印的地方 

 

That window is where it happened

那扇窗户就是事情发生的地方 

 

I was the first woman in my group of slaves to be branded

我是我那组奴隶中第一个被打上烙印的女人 

 

Tell me about the night you were branded

告诉我你被打上烙印那天晚上的事情 

 

It was horrible

太可怕了 

 

at the time, I thought I was doing this empowering bonding moment,  with a group of friends that I considered my nearest and dearest

当时我认为,那一刻我所做的就是给自己赋能,而且是同我最紧密最亲爱的朋友一起做 

 

and you had no idea that it was Keith's initials

但不知道竟是刻上基斯姓名的首字母

 

I remember that ,I mean

我记得,我是说

 

that's the real thing is that we were told that it was a symbol of the elements

事实是我们被告知,它是某些赋能元素的象征 

 

and that this was going to be a bonding experience

并且这将是一次亲昵的体验 

 

and we were sleep deprived

我们被剥夺了睡眠 

 

We were starved

我们快饿死了 

 

We were coerced

我们是被胁迫的 

 

you don't just decide to be branded

你还没有决定就被打上烙印 

 

You're coerced into being branded

你是被迫打上烙印的

 

For years Catherine fought publicly and behind the scenes to free India from the group

多年来,凯瑟琳进行了公开和幕后斗争,为的是把女儿解救出来 

 

how's your daughter doing

你女儿怎么样 

 

my daughter is still on the inside

我女儿仍然不能自拔 

 

she's not back yet

她还没有恢复过来 

 

It took until 2018 after Raniere and Mack were arrested for India to finally come around

直到2018年,拉尼尔和麦克被捕后,尹迪亚才最终醒悟过来

 

Did you always believe, Catherine, that this day would come

凯瑟琳,你一直相信这一天会到来吗 

 

or did you fear that it wouldn't

或者你害怕它不会到来 

 

God! I lived in fear for probably two years

天啊!我大概在恐惧中生活了两年 

 

but my faith has always been stronger than my fear always

但我的信心总是比我的恐惧更强大,总是这样 

 

Is there any other way to describe

有没有其他的方式来形容 

 

what was happening to your daughter other than she was brainwashed

你女儿除了被洗脑以外,还发生了什么事 

 

This is not the daughter that you knew

这不是你曾认识的那个女儿 

 

When I first confronted her at the end of May in 2017

2017年5月底我第一次面对她时

 

I thought I could wake her up

我认为我可以唤醒她 

 

I told her she was brainwashed and she was in a cult

我告诉她,她被洗脑了,她加入的是邪教 

 

and I said I know about the black mail

我说,我了解他们的敲诈手段 

 

and I don't care

我不在乎 

 

if it's about me, you know, don't let that be the reason you stay in

如果是关于我的,要记住,别让它成为你离开邪教的绊脚石 

 

why didn't what your mom was telling you resonate with you India at that time

尹迪亚,为什么妈妈的话那时没引起你的共鸣呢 

 

I was too deeply in, I was scared

我陷得太深了,我害怕

 

and I was confused

我也很困惑 

 

What was that moment when you woke up

那你是什么时候醒悟过来的 

 

It was stages of revelations

这是个逐渐觉醒的过程 

 

and I started working with the deprogrammer

我开始和邪教干预人员合作 

 

who helped me tremendously

他们帮了我大忙 

 

but you have to be open to it

但你必须敞开心扉 

 

like you can't force somebody to see the truth they need to want to

就像你不能强迫别人看,你想让他们看到的真相

 

and I didn't want to for a long time

我很长时间都不想这么做 

 

getting somebody out of a cult is very different than a drug intervention for instance

例如,把某人从邪教中解救出来与戒毒有很大的不同 

 

because their critical thinking has been taken away

因为他们的批判性思维被剥夺了 

 

and so the process of working with a cult defector is to reawaken

因此,做一名邪教叛逆者的工作,就是重新唤醒他的过程

 

and reignite their critical thinking

重新激发他们的批判性思维 

 

and through a line of questioning to help them

通过一系列的提问来帮助他们 

 

start to think for themselves is very gentle

开始主动思考是个缓慢的过程 

 

It's very different

这是非常不同的 

 

What do you want everyone to take away from your story

你想让每个人从你的故事中得到什么 

 

You don't have to be in a cult to be coerced

不要受胁迫加入邪教 

 

I don't know anybody on the planet who hasn't been manipulated or exploited or fooled in some way, or has been in a controlling abusive relationship

在这个星球上,所有人都会被别人操纵、剥削或以某种方式愚弄;或者遭受某种控制性关系的虐待

 

Um, you know there's predation on so many different levels

嗯,要知道,掠夺有很多不同的层次 

 

We all have metaphorical scars

每个人都有隐形的伤疤 

 

I have a physical scars

我有肉体的伤疤 

 

but you don't have to live with that

但你不必永远忍受它 

 

You don't have to live with Keith Raniere haunting you

你不必与萦绕心头的基斯•拉尼尔阴影一起生活 

 

You can reclaim your life, you can

你可以找回你的生活,你能行 

 

You can learn from it and you can move on

你可以从中吸取教训,继续前行 

 

and you can heal and you can have love

你可以痊愈,而且你可以拥有爱 

 

and I just feel so lucky that I can have that

我真的很幸运我能拥有它

 

and their relationship has healed, and it's stronger than ever before they say

她们的母女关系已经恢复,而且比以前更加亲密和牢固

 

Allison Mack, by the way, pleaded guilty to racketeering and conspiracy

顺便说一下,爱莉森•麦克承认了自己的敲诈勒索与共谋罪 

 

Keith Raniere was convicted of sex trafficking, racketeering and conspiracy

而基斯•拉尼尔被判犯有性交易、敲诈勒索和共谋罪 

 

and now faces to life, up to life in prison when he's sentenced later this month

现在他面临着终身监禁,本月晚些时候就将被宣判 

 

India told me she will be at his sentencing

尹迪亚告诉我,她将在对他宣判时到场 

 

and will deliver a victim impact statement as part of her closure

结案时,她将发表一份受害者影响陈述书 

 

and as for that brand, well, she had an evil eye tattoo put over it

至于那个烙印,她在上面覆盖了一个邪恶眼睛的纹身 

 

and wrote“ANCORA IMPARO ”

并写上了ANCORA IMPARO(意大利语)”

 

which means “still learning”

其含义是,“求知不倦”

 

and she says now she's taken back that part of her body

她说现在她身体的那部分已经恢复如初 

 

and she can feel empowered and not diminished

她能感觉到自己更有力量了,而不是被削弱了

 

Good for her

祝她安好 

 

Amy, thank you so much for sharing that

艾米,非常感谢你的分享 

 

Seduce inside the Nxivm cult premieres on Sunday, October 18th at 9: 00 pm eastern and pacific on stars and the stars app

Nxivm邪教的诱惑》首播定于10月18日,星期天,东部及太平洋时间晚上9点,“明星”栏目及其APP

 

Well, hey there GMA fans

嘿,“早安美国”的粉丝们 

 

Robin Roberts here thanks for checking out our Youtube channel

罗宾·罗伯茨在此感谢您观看我们的油管频道 

 

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这里有很多很棒的内容 

 

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所以继续点击订阅按钮,就在这里

 

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每天都可以从“早安美国”获取更多精彩的视频和内容 

 

We thank you for watching

感谢您的收看 

 

and we'll see you in the morning on GMA

我们明天早上在“早安美国”上见

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